The importance of physical distancing and the use of masks and glasses, to prevent the spread of Covid-19 advocated by the Ministry of Health (Minsa) is confirmed in a study by scientists in McMaster University in Canada and published in the scientific journal The Lancet, but is difficult to enforce with a large number of people living in poverty.
Experts analyzed 172 observational studies from 16 countries evaluating distance measures, masks, and eye protection to prevent transmission of patients with confirmed or probable Covid-19, SARS, or MERS infection to people close to them (for example, caregivers, family members , health workers).
The study showed that the risk of infection is 12.8% at a distance of one meter, and it reduces to 2.6% at more than one meter away.
The scientists state that without mask protection the risk of virus transmission is 17.4% and with a mask is reduced to 3.1%.
Rodrigo DeAntonio , an epidemiologist and who is part of the team of the Advisory Committee for the Minsa Coronavirus, explained that the study consolidates the evidence from various observational analyzes, which supports the guidelines that the physical distance of at least 1 meter or more reduces the transmission of the coronavirus, and the greater the distance the better.
Minsa personnel have been in various parts of the capital city verifying the correct use of masks and raising awareness about physical distancing and handwashing.
However, last week it was evident that in Panama a percentage of the population is not complying, for example, with the distancing measure. On June 1, when the quarantine measure was lifted, crowds were seen enter supermarkets or boarding a bus and even in recreation areas.
Néstor Sosa, an infectologist and former director of the Gorgas Institute for Health Studies, maintained that one of the factors influencing the increase in Covid-19 cases in the country is that people are not keeping physical distance or do not use the masks.
He explained that it is very difficult to physically distance oneself in a residence with a bedroom and where six or more people live, and where the person who works is in the dilemma of buying rice, alcohol gel or a mask to protect themselves.
Available epidemiological information suggests that Covid-19 disease strikes the poorest people in the country the most. In Panama, there are an estimated 777 thousand Panamanians living in multidimensional poverty.
It's true that many of us can't sell our homes here and it's true they are worth much less than when we bought in 2011 but that does not mean we are "stuck here" as some commentors claim. We like others we know are selling our personal goods and leaving the properties vacant but for sale. Contrary to what some may think all who bought here are not broke. Many of us have the ability to reestablish ourselves in our home countries. The USA looks like the best option as many States there are without the burden of quarantine. Texas, Florida and Georgia all look like great opportunities. Our best to all.
Via Argentina, and others, you can skip out on the lease with a clear conscience. You're not breaking the contract for any trivial reason. We're in a global pandemic, contracts all over the world are invoking force majeure.
My point being, me being here has not caused any harm to anyone, only made lives better, but you judge me wrong based on where I was born instead of my acts. so what does that say about you? wasted words no matter what they are when you speak them into a ear of a DONKEY.
Our rent here in Chitre is inexpensive and we pay month to month. There was little to do here prior to the lockdowns but now it's dreadful. There is only so much tv you can watch in Spanish and we have reread most of our books. The "new normal" is not something that seems to be for us. I am older and wearing a mask in this oppressive heat is just too much. My husband has heart issues and he constantly removes it while out. He have been warned sternly by police several times but no citations yet but I know it will happen. We are also on the fence about leaving. 2 years here and this new normal has soured us on Panama. We don't have much time left in this world and we don't want to waste it. We both have gained weight these last 3 months because no activity. Don says to put everything on OLX and sell it. I think our time here is short. I am sure many feel the same as us. Yes we are lucky we didn't purchase but everything seemed very expensive for what we were shown, luckily we refrained.
We have been on the fence about leaving. We pulled our lease and looked it over this morning. Our deposit is minimal compared to paying 7 more months of rent. We are going to wait until July to give Panama a chance to open back up and restore some liberties, if not we will also take a humanitarian flight out. Yes we will skip out on the lease, not our fault that the Govt here ruined it.
If for no other reason here I get the jest of feelings of both pro and anti gringo, pro and anti Panama... 802 Mark... your rather long epistle tells me you brag more than you produce... hundreds of Panamanians owing to your whatever? Without you Panama would go down the drain? Is that your thought? You are so full of your own self stupidity and outright lying it is unbelievable. Where is your proof of your help to the local population? Where is the factual data? Where, pray tell, did you come up with such self righeous unsubstantiated thoughts? You take the prize for self indulgence with a lack of fact. You need to get on one of those flights out of here.
This whole thread really shines a light on the importance of renting in Panama vs buying. For years we were advised to buy here because renting is a waste of money, we resisted. Now that things here have collapsed we can pack our bags and fly out with our life savings still in the bank, not in a depreciating Panama property. This should serve as a good lesson to others don't buy here just rent! Via Argentina just Pack and leave. There is no way that this jerk is going to be able to stop you at the airport, that's just an intimidation tactic used by the locals against gringos. Count your blessings and just get out of here!!!
I try to be a man of morals like 802Mark, and normally I would agree with him, but this time I think differently. When you leave, the landlord will rent the same property to someone else. If you pay him, he will double down. The rental business is a dirty business to begin with. I hate leases. But it is what it is. I have rental property in Texas and all of my tenants sign leases with me. I never enforce them though. I do not think it is right to make a person pay for something they can not use. Under normal circumstances, I am sure you would pay but the government there is putting people in a jam. Maybe you can work out a deal with this guy to pay a portion of the 10 large to compensate for his loss. I would think a couple of months would be fair. Most business men do not think like I do and will try to stiff you for the whole amount. If they are not willing to give you a fair shake, then they deserve what they get. On the other side of the argument, he might have a hard time renting that property when the government is oppressing the people. Tough call. If you tell him that you will not pay and just try to leave, there have been situations in Panama where they stop people at the airport. My wife was in law school there and she knows. Usually they only can do that if you are already in default. You AND the land owner should both do the right thing and work out a plan that works for both of you. Remember, you should pay for at least 2-3 months after you move out.
We are in a similar situation as Via Argentina. We want to take one of the Humanitarian flights but don't want to pay out our entire lease of 5 more months. We are sick and tired of being trapped inside, nothing open, no social life and being told when and how we can do the most basic things. After reading this thread we are just going to pack and leave. Give the food and a few other items to the neighbors and leave. This was supposed to be a 2 week quarantine but clearly it's not ending this year.
Sara you are in the wrong place you should be in Minneapolis with the other social justice warriors. So much hate in your heart how can you stand being so miserable? your entire generation of communists are just miserable and want the people who work and have success to be miserable also.
Don't pay the guy nothing. 802Mark is just trying to help his Panama buddies to 10k of your money. These sweaty palmed bastards have been overcharging gringos for years and I for one am happy to see them get stuck for a change!!!! Argentina bail and don't look back!!
802mark your white privilege prevents you from seeing the truth. Your endemic racism blinds you to the truth. Listen to you brag about how you fed the Panamanian and his family, they did not eat before you arrived? This is why the white man must go. no place here . Green go- grin go - gringo do you get it now white boy? go back to your own country and bow and wash the feet of the black man and beg forgiveness for your sins!
This doesn't boil down to gringo vs locals. it boils down to right and wrong. you took a apt. you looked at it, you inspected it, you signed a contract for a year. NOW, you changed your mind after 4 months. This landlord and the contract you signed has nothing to do with the virus, or you not being happy to be here anymore. It's about like you getting married to a woman and you still are paying notes for the wedding and ring only to find out during your honeymoon her dick is bigger then yours. You don't get to not pay for the notes you owe. honor your contract with the man, or not be a man at all. it's not his fault your life changed and you no longer want what you got, man up and do the right thing. Sara stop being a racist. judge people by their acts not skin color or where they were born, you keep beating the drum of hate on every gringo, you think you and others here and this whole country would be better off without gringos ever being here? ask yourself where would this country be without the canal, built by gringos, and be truthful about your reply. I have lived here for 15 years, I have two daughters born here and have changed the lives of hundreds of locals since the day I came here. anyone of those people you would pick would be willing to stand face to face with you and let you scream gringo go home at me and they would punch you in the face. why? because I fed their children, by me being here I provide them the ability to do that and much more. so again reply what are my SINS? being born in another place outside of where you were? are you the type of person that would rather live in a sewer then take a hand out of it because the hand happen to be a gringos? because that is what you are doing with this hate the gringo campaign you put forward. Your problems here in this country were not caused by gringos, but yet you want to laid it at our feet as it is. You feel that if we all left it would be so much better and life would change so much for all? the president doesn't think so, he wasn't in office 2 months before he asked the gringo's for a bank loan. who is next after you throw the gringos out? the Chinese? If so spend less time on here and educate yourself on just how great that turned out for Africa after their leaders told all Indians merchants to leave the country in 48 hours, their shops were then turned over to locals to own and run, and ALL FAILED. within a month there were no goods on the shelves to buy, so they had to go back and allow many of them to come back in and take over. It's the same with them killing the white farmers in Africa today, taking over a once producing and well run orange farm, that provided hundreds with good paying jobs and their country with much needed produce, now everything is gone even the trees have been cut down for fire wood. how about trying this, how about taking responsibility for your own life and stop laying the blame of your failed life at the feet of others, it just proves how small minded and childish a person is that does that. also to all you cry baby gringos, if you don't like how your lives are going then stand up dust off the seat of your pants and do something about it. your life here or any place else is your choice to make it whatever you need to be at peace, but understand there are problems and crap you won't be happy with no matter where you end up, but understand sometimes there are things in life that you just can't change no matter how YOU FEEL ABOUT IT.
Sara you need help serious help. I know so many people that have been robbed here mostly by locals but not all. There was a poor Canadian chap in las tablas who got defrauded by an american who went by an alias poncho. So crooks come in all shapes, sizes and colors. Here in Cambutal gringo backstabbing is a very nasty problem.
So i think sara is really a gringo and her plans to make a living here did not work out, flipping land making cupcakes or whatever, cant score a boyfriend to pay her way thus mad at us gringo that just love it here, the others that are whining are just mad they did not know what they were moving to, they thought it was going to be just like home but cheaper. Good chance that they are demtards and miss Detroit or some other chithole. So whine or leave it makes no difference to me i love it here, but i have at least 2 working brain cells so i knew what it would be like.
@ Sara. You want to talk about rob and cheat. When I lived in Panama, the Panamanians had one price for the gringo and another for Panamanians. My wife is Panamanian so I CAN talk. Several Panamanians borrowed money from me and never paid me back. I could not even leave my truck unlocked or anything in the back because it would be gone before I could get back to it. So do not tell me about rob and cheat. Guess you missed the article last week about the stolen Champaign.
I see the gringos are plotting together to rob and cheat the Panamanian. I am not surprised that is the history of your people. Panama has been held back by the gringo capitalist and it's rape of our country. The new normal you must accept or take one of your flights from where you came. Panama for Panamanians not for gringos and your white privilege. Go back to your own country and learn to bow and wash the feet of the black man,
I would say the same as the others just get your flight out. JB is correct your didn't sign up for house arrest when you came down here!
If they are charging 1000/mo or more, they can afford the minute loss. It is not POOR people charging this much for rent. That's robbery
Pillpusher , I think you should take less of whatever it is you are pushing!
Dude not cool coming here and cheating the locals it makes us all look bad. Like you should make a payment schedule or something. These poor people are so honest and like take such good care of us you should like pay them.
Excellent advice from all the posters here. I doubt that once you leave the country he will file a lawsuit because that costs him money. I agree with others pack up quietly and exit stage left. If you have utilities, cable, satellite or any other accounts don't try and close them that will only add to your headaches. They will automatically close your accounts after a month or two. You are not at fault Argentina! You came here expecting a life that doesn't exist, living under police martial law month after month and paying high rent for the privileged is crazy. I wish you speedy and safe travels away from this place.
@Via Argentina: FEAR mongering, thats all. Just dont pay and go. Bullshit issuing a paper that prevents you from leaving. Try also to record all that "conversations" and if you receive threats, simply threaten back with the whole power of Social Media etc. One thing here in Panama is that they try to get your money no matter what, but if someone stands up against - no one will do nothing. They have no balls.
@via argentina. I seriously doubt they can do anything to you. I did it once in Panama with no consequences. Not proud of it and do not recommend it but stuff happens. I know for sure they can do nothing once you place your feet in the US. What will happen is that they will hire an attorney and sue you. They will win either way because the corrupt judges will see to that (they are on the payroll too, you know). Then you will owe the 10 large plus the legal fees (probably around 3-4 large). You will never be able to own anything in Panama until the whole sum is paid. That includes vehicles. Call them after you get to the US and tell them the bad news. Better sell everything BEFORE you go.
Just make your appartement empty just leave don't tell him anything don't come back to this place he can do absolutely nothing. Tell him you will stay further. Panamanians facing Dictatorship i will write next days how and why. Everybody should pack the bags now. Take your flight nothing can happen he has no right at the moment. Rents are all on hold according to Cortizo till December.
Hi all. We have 8 months left on our apartment lease but want to fly out on the June 20th flight for the United States. The Landlord says we are responsible for the entire remaining 8 months and is demanding payment. he knows we want to leave but doesn't know about our flight plans, nevertheless he says he can file paperwork to prevent us from leaving the country unless we pay. We really can't see paying more than $10,000.00 for an apartment we won't be using. Anyone dealt with this situation before?